It's a compliment, no doubt, Franz Wah. Hugs.
Country Girl
ok....we all had them...perhaps we were one of them....stereotypical witnesses.
there were many stereotypes that proved to be in congregation after congregation.
what stereotypical witnesses do you remember.
It's a compliment, no doubt, Franz Wah. Hugs.
Country Girl
ok....we all had them...perhaps we were one of them....stereotypical witnesses.
there were many stereotypes that proved to be in congregation after congregation.
what stereotypical witnesses do you remember.
Fran-Coys (said in her best Texan accent):
I got lots of em. While some people spent their best years in the JW's counting the texture dots on the ceilings that looked like US Presidents (and never getting past 49 in 40 years), I spent mine observing the ways and means of the Judicial Committees and the auxilliary system that supported them.
We had all your typical JW's, but by far my favorite was Brother Isaperv. He was so grandly sweeping in his views when he first walked into the Kingdom Hall. It was like a filtration system. He would sweep the KH with his eyes, upon his regal and breathlessly awaited entrance, and lock in on those women that were young and fertile, and the others were just flies to be swatted. Forget about if they were married, no one was beyond the grasp of his tentacled eyes. He wouldn't so much as look at them for more than a second, and he knew who was ovulating and ready to receive his much cherished seed. Cough. I was not above his reaching grasp. I felt like nothing more than an ample supply of boobs and crotch. Put together like Brother Isaperv would have wanted me put togehter, I would have been nothing more than a pile of bulbous material with boobs and an entrance into which to put his phallic symbol, with two nipples to nurse him and his cursed (and I don't say cursed.. I say CUR-SED) offspring.
Brother Isaperv was your typical JW Elder. He was overly concerned with the congregation's sexuality, and frequently gave talks on the podium about masturbation, oral sex, and marital and unmarital sex and the dangers thereof. The other brothers GLADLY gave him those parts because they thought he was more open minded to talk about those things to a congregation. I could see the lust in his eyes for all the young girls in the congregation. It made all of us sick. We knew that if Brother Isaperv came sniffing at our doorstep, our parents would SURELY sacrifice us to him because he was a "spiritual brother" that made a lot of time in the field service, was active in the congregations servant ministry, and had never been married or fathered children. Isn't that cool? "My daughter's going with an Elder. There must be something in HER that attracts such a Godly man.. and in extension, there must be something about ME that must be Godly since I raised such a girl that such a Godly man would want." How many Mothers did this? And how are they ashamed now? They're not.. just a fateful wish.
Brother Isaperv was always hanging out with the young kids, noticing the girls. He was *cool* cuz he knew how they felt and what they were thinking. He was never married, and couldn't quite fit in with the married couples cuz he was a single guy. He was still looking for that twelve year old that could marry him and make his dreams come true. Then, maybe, he'd be settled. But not for long. He finally finds a young girl who has been abused sexually, and is intimidated, and her parents think she'd be a good wife for him. She is sixteen years old, old enough to get married with her parents' permission. She does so so that she won't shake the family up. As the young girl got older and older and began to realize that this is not reality.. this is not how it's supposed to be, she started challenging Brother Isaperv's authority. He didn't like that. So he brings it to the brothers in the Hall, and she is spoken to by the Elders because they don't like how she is treating Brother Isaperv since he's a Man of God <cough> and she's just a GIRL! She is taunted and flocked by the brothers because she is just beginning to understand what has happened.
Meanwhile. Brother Isaperv has decided that she's too old for his tastes and has gone on the prowl again. This time he is searching for someone that is a bit older, but dang! he has a wife! She has grown older now and is starting to challenge his authority, and what the hell.. she has pubic hair now! He brings this to the Elders. They agree that she is threatening his family life, so they watch her, they talk to her. It doesn'twork.. she's too smart for that. She realizes she has to get out. So she leaves. She is lonely, but is afraid that if she breahes her marriage vows that she can't get back. she is so lonely that she just takes up with TomDickHarry. He divorces her and starts haunting the single virgin ladies at the Hall again... who are afraid of his advances, andare afraid of what their parents will do when he decides he wants them.
Hugs
Country Girl
ok....we all had them...perhaps we were one of them....stereotypical witnesses.
there were many stereotypes that proved to be in congregation after congregation.
what stereotypical witnesses do you remember.
You forgot sister StrangeandOld. Wears almighty red hats with obnoxiously long pheasant feathers in them. Every time she turns around she tickles your nose. She wears gaudy, vintage clothes that she picked up from the Salvation Army store and her pock-marked saggy breasts are conveniently colliding in the V of her neckline. She wears jewelry from a garage sale, and that brooch she has pinned high atop her swelling buzzem teeters catastrophically on the edge of the cliff formed by her push-up bra.
Her legs are sheathed in the latest bright-colored tights from L'Eggs and her calves and ankles rush toward her bunions, which are housed in a strappy pair of crackled old leather complimentary colored sandals. Her breath smells of old onions and liver, as a result of her not getting the bits of food housed like prisoners in the pockets of her gums. She can't afford a dentist because she is putting in too many hours in field service to either make enough money at a real job to afford one, or doesn't have the time. Her weight goes up as her field service hours go up.
She is obnoxiously loud and vociferous, and merely tolerated by the mainstream JW crowd, because of her obvious love of field service. The elders ignore complaints about her because she is "eccentric" and that's "just the way she is." She insinuates herself into every conversation after the meeting, and floats around the Kingdom Hall like a butterfly in a field of flowers, demanding that she be heard on every topic discussed.
She has been married once, a long time ago, to a brother who was disfellowshipped for fooling around on her. Tragically hurt, and has never gotten over it enough to find another mate. My best guess is no one wants her. She feels this deep inside her soul, but wears her tragedy like a martyr, and makes sure everyone knows how deep her sorrow and grief are.
She hangs around the other "vintage" sisters and they all somehow form a clique of martyred sisters who have nothing more in common than field service and their tragedies, worn like a metal upon their battered breasts. They are too young and strange to hang with the elder's wives, and too old to hang with the young people. They car group together and tell each other stories of long lost loves back in the days when they were bright-eyed virgins with myriads of suitors in suits.
Sad.. but oh so true.
Country Girl
i have to tell you that if you are currently shunned, although it may be painful....you are actually better off imo.
having had it both ways now, i am convinced that it was less painful than being halfway accepted (as i am now because my dad is sick).
my conscience is clear and it feels so good but at the same time i am in more pain than when i was shunned.
Sweetie:
Don't be discouraged. We all feel the need for love an affirmation from our familes. However, yours can't give you that, so I would just be content in knowing that you can give what you can, and all the rest just doesn't matter. Keep being there for your Dad, no matter what. He's dying and what you are doing is worth WAY MORE than their measly contributions. He knows.. and you know, and that is all that matters. From now on, though, I wouldn't give too much to family members who don't need it. You are a loving soul, and that is worth A LOT, despite what your relatives say. Keep remembering that if it was YOU that was dying, you would appreciate for sure someone that would take care of you as much as you are taking care of him. He's afraid... and you are there to comfort him. Screw those screwballs. What does it matter what they think? They are doing nothing.. and you are caring for a fellow human.. your Father.. and they are not. That counts for a lot in the cosmos.. believe it or not.
CG
what say you on the following news article?.
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/nation/5954814.htmwoman sues to hide face in license photo.
mike schneider.
I believe driving is a right.. since you should be able to go where you want, provided you don't infringe on people's land or rights. I believe that how you get there is none of the government's business, as long as no one is wreaking any havoc. Whether you want to get somewhere by motor vehicle or horse.. as long as it doesn't interfere with other people, you have a perfectly legal right to get there. I realize that laws are necessary to protect people from accidents and stuff, but that is my own ideal. Here is an interesting reading page:
http://www.svpvril.com/drilic.html
Country Girl
what say you on the following news article?.
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/nation/5954814.htmwoman sues to hide face in license photo.
mike schneider.
At this point, perhaps. But not for long. Iris identification will be the next step. The eyes will automatically identify the person, so the veil question will be moot in a few years. The cop will just be able to pull the person with the veil over and survey their eyes with an identification gun, and that's it. They know who they are, provided they have given their iris sample to the motor vehicle division.
On the same note, there's NO law in Islam that you can't take off your veil at certain points, as far as I know... and yes, I don't know for sure. I do know that they have to take them off to take a shower. What does the Quoran say about taking the veil off for legal authorities and doctors? Would be interesting to know.
Country Girl
i am hoping that by telling my story that i will be able to once and for all time release the stress built up inside of me from brutal attacks i have received from the my jw family.. in 1996 i moved to a town called redding, ca.
i moved there because my mother lived there with her husband.
my youngest half brother whom i loved well passed on from cancer at only 21. i felt that i needed to be closer to my mother so i closed my buisness which was a very profitable buisness and moved to redding.
This just breaks my heart reading such things as this. I feel a deep sense of sadness to know that such an earthly thing such as this organization, can break up such a "godly" thing such as the family. Somehow, that doesn't make sense. There's no rhyme or reason to it... to take a perfectly good thing, and turn it into something shameful and hateful. There's no way in hell that this is loving OR compassionate, although, with their twisted reasons they make it sound like it is. Do they think in their right minds that people will come back to their twisted organization by shunning and treating them bad, just for the spiritual food? My mind thinks not. They are coming back because they miss their most important support systems. Not fair. I'm sorry this had to happen to you. I hope that you find peace and serenity in your mind when you work this out within yourself.
Constantly we are told that "blood" is all. Then this Organization comes along and goes counter to that. Doesn't seem to make sense, and it doesn't.
Country Girl
my fiancee died on feb24 she was suffering from years of abuse by her alchoholic jw parents.
she first tried to commit scuicide when she was 12 then 2 more times at 16. when she was 15 she snuck out to go to a party when she was raped she was too afraid to tell her parents.
the very next day her jw brother in law molested her.
larry:
I've been through three custody trials. Not with JW's, but with some nutty possessive relatives on my child's father's side. They obtained emergency custody when I was very ill, and unable to afford a good lawyer. It can be done. Don't feel bad... times like this make us *much* stronger. Because I went through what I did, I became a fierce mamma bear. I never lost custody permanently the first time (healed and hired a dynamic new lawyer), but went through six months of pure and sheer hell before I regained custody. All three times. The subsequent two times, they just filed, but the suits quickly dried up as my ex realized that I had become very proficient in family law because of working for lawyers. It gets awfully nasty in those family law courtrooms.
My hints:
Get lots of sleep, exercise, and eat right. Take a vitamin supplement, you'll need it.
Get treated for the depression
Keep your socializing discreet; drinking etc. to a minimum. If you smoke, give it up.
Collect as much information as you can about family law in Ohio, familiarize yourelf to the point of knowing it backwards and forwards, the Family Code.
Stay strictly to any temporary Court orders.
Get as much information as you can on the JW's: strategy, child-rearing, parenting, preferrably their own publications. Make *sure* your lawyer knows this stuff THOUROUGHLY.
Find relatives that know the grandparents that would be willing to testify to some of the junk that went on in your fiancee's home; supply your lawyer with a witness list of these people, what they will attest to, names, addresses and phone numbers. This should save you lots of money! This way, the lawyer doesn't have to call them up and interview them, etc. They could also possibly help you sniff out other stories, witnesses.
Document EVERYTHING that happens, every day. Keep a running journal of what goes in in your children's lives, who says what, who is who, etc. Write a short summary of what you know, remember, etc. about this family to help your lawyer get a handle very quickly on what's going on.
Spend as much time as POSSIBLE with your children, if you are able. Stop at nothing short of illegal to see them. Make phone calls.
Tape phone calls, if you are able to do so. Some states prohibit taping unless one party knows, some don't. Check out the laws for Ohio and use it to your advantage. Save all emails, documents pertaining to the children, medical histories. Obtain the copy of the CPS report and your clearance.
Request a Guardian Ad Litem for the children. This will be a counselor for the children, or lawyer. He/She will do a personal interview with both sides.
And.. most of all...
My prayers and thoughts are with you.. and Good Luck! Don't hesitate to contact me at my private message box if you would like to chat s'more.
Country Girl
doubtless many of us have been to assemblies, and every may the km would come out with an insert about what you were expected to do and how to act.. reviewing the km's over the years , you can see the negative positve "councel".
how to dress, how to act, howt to tip!.
after reading this, doesn't it just want to make you run to attend the next d.c. ?
What's surprising to me is that the JW's needed to be reminded, constantly, of how to behave in public and offer common courtesies that most people with good manners know how to do since childhood!
Country Girl
i'm just wondering how everyone was changed by the wts emotionally.
i find that after going through being df'd and the shunning, the general loss of everything that i'm much harder, i give people less sympathy than i used to, things that are seriuos such as deaths and the like just don't move me much.
i feel desensitized, sorta detached i let so much just roll off my back than i used to.
I'm at last (after 22 years) finding empathy for my fellow humans. Used to be I'd rather see a person die than an animal. I know that's terrible, but it's true. Animals provided me unconditional love when I was a child, something I had never received as a JW child.
Country Girl